In Wuerttemberg,


Part 2


Lionel Nebeker 



Now, after setting this historical background, we wish to begin following this family down through the next generations to connect with us.  We will therefore leave most of the parish records cited above and look for other sources for our family history.  

In about 1751, when our Hans Martin Kirschenmann and Agnes Schwartz were both about 19 years old, they met and started their family.  As stated above, no document has yet been found for their marriage.  In 1752 a large group of people left this area and sailed to Pennsylvania, USA.  Our young couple went with that group.  


Coming to America

Most migrations down the Rhine River left in early May, after the spring run-off had peaked and the river travel became safer.  It required about six weeks to descend the river as different boats worked only small sections of the river and the various government officials required travelers to stop and pay a tax at each station—unloading and reloading their goods and waiting in line to get processed and prepared for the next leg of the journey.  It was mid-June by the time most of these emigrants had landed in either Amsterdam or Rotterdam at the mouth of the Rhine River in the Netherlands.  Here they waited to obtain passage to England, which normally took about two more weeks (mid-June to late June or even early July).   America was then the property of England and so these German emigrants needed to first sail to England to obtain permission to settle in the new world.  The trip from Amsterdam to Cowes, on the Isle of Wight, took 3-7 days, depending upon the wind and weather.  Then there was another waiting period on that island to complete the paperwork necessary to book passage on a ship.   At the earliest, it would have been mid to late July before the party actually launched their ship.  The trans-Atlantic voyage would require about eight more weeks, again depending upon the wind and weather conditions.   Many travelers felt lucky if they were able to land before the end of September.  

In the attached ship’s manifest for the ship “Edinburgh” captained by James Russell, we can see that our ancestor, “Hans Martin Kirschmann” arrived in Philadelphia, PA on 19 Sept. 1752.   The record does not state the date of departure but only that the trip originated in Amsterdam and stopped over in Cowes, England, just as we would expect.  Hans’ father (Hanss Sr.) died on 1 May 1752 and his son probably departed the area immediately thereafter.  

Only the names of the heads of families were listed so we do not see the name of Hans’ wife, Agnes Schwartz, nor of their first daughter, Catharina Kirschmann, named for her grandmother, who had just been born in Holland after leaving their home and families.  {More will be given later about her birth in Holland in 1752.}

Notice that from this point on, the last name was altered to just Kirschmann (Cherryman) rather than the plural form of “Cherriesman” used consistently in Germany up to this time.  Note too that there were also two men by the name of


“Schwartz” on this same ship but we have not yet been able to link them to our family.  Schwartz (meaning “black”) is a very common name.  



With Hans Martin Kirschenmann (now Kirschman) and his wife, Agnes Schwartz and a new little baby, Catherine Kirschman/Cashman arriving in Philadelphia, PA on Sept. 19, 1752, that confirms several things for us.  First of all, the timing is just about what we would have expected for them to have made the voyage according to normal timetables for this trip, and may even be a bit earlier than expected, probably due to favorable winds for their ship.  This means that they probably were in Amsterdam, Holland at least by the middle of June and in all likelihood, they were on-board the ship leaving Holland by the very end of June.  This is important as it is the only time in their lives that any of these people would have been in the country of Holland and their ship’s manifest says that they sailed out of Amsterdam.  

This little baby, Catherine Kirschman/Cashman (who grew up to become the wife of David Buck) had a daughter, Elizabeth Buck Garlick—born in 1795 in Bedford Co., PA.  This young girl lived long enough to be tallied in the 1880 US census for the state of Utah.  By then she was 85 years old and living in Springville, Utah.  She stated on that year’s census that her mother was born in “Holland” (copy attached below—see the second to the last entry near the bottom of the page).  

Our family tradition had also passed the story along that Catherine was born in Holland, but this is the only real document that we have from someone who actually knew Catherine personally.  Her daughter would certainly have known where her mother was born.  And since Catherine, the daughter of Hans & Agnes Kirschman, was born in Holland, then she would have to have been born there during (or very close to) June, 1752, as no one in the family ever passed through Holland at any earlier or later date, as discussed above.  This helps us to confirm the date of Catherine’s birth.

As near as we can tell, Catherine was the oldest child of this family.  With both of her parents being just twenty years old in 1752, it is not likely they had any earlier children.  We have not yet found any record of the marriage of Hans Martin Kirschman (Jr.) and Agnes Schwartz but presume it to have been in 1751-52.  A search of the parish records for Jacobs Church in Pfalzgrafenweiler did not yield any document for this event.  


After arriving in Philadelphia, the young family moved first to Oetelaune, Berks County, Pennsylvania, or at least they were living there by 23 May 1756 when their next known child, Joh. Georg Kirshman was born and christened (25 May, 1756) in the Moselem Union Lutheran Church parish in Kutztown, Berks, PA.   We know of seven children born to this family.  The time gaps between births would allow for other possible children for this family, but if so, they didn’t survive: 

     1.  Catherine      abt June 1752         in Holland (probably Amsterdam) 

     2.  Joh. Georg      23 May 1756         Oetelaune, Berks, PA     

     3.  Martin              10 July 1762         Oetelaune, Berks, PA

     4.  Mary                     abt  1767         Oetelaune, Berks, PA   

                             (no record of birth has been found)

     5.  Christian            9 Feb 1766         Oetelaune, Berks, PA

     6.  Abraham                abt 1770         Oetelaune, Berks, PA

     7.  Elizabeth        14 Sep. 1775         York Co., PA  

                             (Christened 26 Nov. 1775 in Christ Luther Church in York Co., PA)  

We’re going to jump ahead several years but it will be important to match these children with our family via an additional document that is critical to our family and that is the will of the father, Hans Martin Kirschman, who after the births of all of his children, eventually moved with his wife, Agnes Schwartz Kirschman to Bedford Co., Virginia sometime after 1775.  He made his will there on 17 April 1804 and it was probated on 25 June 1804 indicating that he died during that short interval at about 72 years of age.  

Notice the naming of his children.  It is unclear why he listed his first son, Joh. “Georg” (presumably Johann Georg) first, ahead of his daughter Catherine, unless he was to be his primary heir, but for some reason he did just that and we can only speculate as to why.  However, since we have found the document relating to this child’s birth, it is clear that he was born after Catherine.  This will leaves no doubt to the fact that one of his daughters was indeed our Catherine Kirschman Buck, the wife of David Buck and mother of our Elizabeth Buck Garlick.  It also shows that his wife, Agnes Schwartz Kirschman was still living at this time.  Note that some family members by this time were already using the spelling of “Cashman” while others were then using Keshmon, or at least that is what the scribe thought it sounded like since Hans Martin was unable to sign his own name and had to make his “X” on the document.


Will of Martin Kirschmann, Keshmon (or Cashman)

Will of Martin Keshmon

Probated 25 June, 1804

Composed and witnessed, 17 April, 1804

Transcribed from the handwritten script by Gordon Bates

In the Name of God, Amen.  I Martin Keshmon of the County of Bedford and State of Virginia being weak and infirm tho in perfect sence and memory do make this my last Will and Testament in maner and form following. Viz. After my body is laid in the clay and all my just debts paid, I will and bequeath to my beloved wife, Agness Keshmon, all my Land and other Estates—Horses, Cattle and Hoggs, money and all and every other property that does remain after my Debts is paid to peaceably possess and enjoy during her life, then what shall remain of my Estate after my death I will it to be sold and the Money equally divided between my seven children: Namely, George Cashman, Catharine Buck, Martin Keshmon Jun., Mary Batesel, Christian Keshmon, Abraham Keshmon, Elizabeth Orunduff, to them and theirs forever. It is also my desire that my wife, Agness Keshmon and Isaac Sinclair Jun. Should be my Executors—In Witness whereof I have thereunto  set my hand and seal the seventeenth day of April One Thousand Eight hundred and four. 

       Martin   X    Keshmon      Seal


James Ripley

Presley Sinclair

Abner Petty

As a Court held for Bedford County at the Courthouse the 25th Day of June 1804—


This last Will and Testament of Martin Kershmon, deceased, was exhibited in Court and proved by the oath of James Ripley, a subscribing witness and continued for further proof and a Court held for said County the 24th day of September 1804—this will was further proved by the oath of Presley Sinclair another subscribing witness and ordered to be recorded. And on the motion of Isaac Sinclair, the Executor therein named, who made oath together with Alexander Simmons his Security entered into and acknowledged their Bond in the Penalty of Five Hundred Dollars conditioned as the Law directs Certificate is granted him for



obtaining Probate thereof in due form.  Liberty being granted the other Executors to join in the probate thereof when he shall think fit.

        Teste,   L. Steptae CBC

Will Books 1763-1914   1754-1976   Virginia County Court (Bedford County)

Will Book volume 3 page 40 Family History Library film number 1,941,023

About nine years after our Hans Martin Kirschman landed in Pennsylvania, he took out a newspaper article (about 1761) in “Christopher Sower’s Germantown Newspaper”.   It is not clear if he was merely seeking anyone who might have recently migrated from the area where he grew up and who might have known his family back home, or if he was expecting some of his family to come over personally but had not yet been able to locate them.   From the little booklet available on HeritageQuest (on-line on the Internet) titled History and Genealogy of the German Emigrant Johan Christian Kirschenmann, Anglicized Cashman With References to Other Cashman Surnames in America by Arthur Weaner and William F. Schull, Sr. privately published in 1958, we find in Chapter 3:  

“The following was noted in excerpts from Christopher Sower’s

Germantown Newspaper (1743-1762).  ‘Johan Martin Kirschmann,

Maidencreek township, Berks Co., from the Wurtenberg Domain of the

Palatine, Duke in Weiler, seeks information about his mother Catharina

Kirschmannin and his two brothers in law, Christian and Frederick Schwartz,

also his two sisters, Maria and Catharina Kirschmannin.’”  


We don’t know if anyone ever answered his enquiry, but this note in the local newspaper is extremely important to us, his descendants, who are now tracking him down.  First of all, it makes it clear that his mother’s name was Catharina Kirschmannin (note again the use of the feminine ending on the name when referring to his mother and sisters).  He also lists two sisters: Maria and Catharina.  This information matches extremely well with the family we have been tracking from Pfalzgrafenweiler as listed at the beginning of this article.  In that family group we also show a brother—Johann Jacob and another sister—Magdalena, neither of whom are listed here, nor is their father mentioned.  It could be that Hans knew that his father and these two siblings were already dead by this time; or he may have known that the two siblings were married and permanently settled in homes in Germany and not likely to be coming to America.   


This document then, clearly connects our Hans Martin Kirschman with our roots in Germany.  He also mentions two brothers-in-law: Christian & Frederich Schwartz.  Remember that Agnes Schwartz, his wife, had three brothers back in the same area whose names were: Johannes, Christian and Friedrich.  Again, if Hans knew that Johannes was already dead, then this too is a perfect match for the family we have been following in Germany and confirms the correctness of our research.  This document also confirms the maiden name of his wife as “Schwartz” since he identifies two of his “brothers-in-law” with that name. 

One other point of interest in this newspaper article is that Hans refers to their home-town in Germany as “Duke in Weiler”.  The German word for “Duke” is Herzog.  There is a very small village, called Herzogsweiler (sometimes Herzogimweiler) about two miles SW of Pfalzgrafenweiler.  It is unclear if the Kirschenmann family had moved from Pfalzgrafenweiler after Hans left, or if they always lived in this tiny spot and had to walk to the next town to attend the church in the larger village, but the mention of this tiny spot immediately next to the parish records we have been following in Germany is another connection to that location.  Herzogsweiler did not have their own separate church built until 1751, just a few months prior to the departure of Hans and Agnes from this area. 

The small booklet mentioned above on the Internet, in addition to containing this newspaper article, also has additional information about our Kirschmann family in America.  Although it is primarily written about another man and his Kirschmann family (by his descendants) it addresses both families as they are about the only two families in all of America, at that time, who spelled their name in this fashion.   Both came from the same area in Wuerttemberg, and both settled in the same county in Pennsylvania.  It seems likely that they were related in some manner and so there are some interesting comments in a special chapter devoted to our family.   This little booklet also contains helpful information about what the trip across the ocean was like for them, which would have been similar to the voyage experienced by our ancestors.  


Temple Ordinance Records

The next documents that we need to review to help us further solidify the correctness of our family tree come from the LDS Church records of temple ordinances performed by Elizabeth Buck Garlick on behalf of her extended family.  Again, Elizabeth Buck was the daughter of the Catherine (Catharina) Kirschman who was born in Holland in 1752 who we have been following.  

The temple ordinances for this family were begun in Nauvoo by Elizabeth Buck Garlick (EBG), and many years later were continued by her in the Endowment House in Salt Lake City.  In these records, she clearly stated that her grandparents, on her mother’s side, were Hans Martin Kirschman and Agnes Schwartz.  She does not give their dates of birth but is clear about their names, including her grandmother’s maiden name.  

Elizabeth also states that she had some half-brothers and sisters by the name of Bumgardner (John, Jacob, Barbara & Elizabeth).  She gives no dates of birth for any of these either, but each is clearly a name common among the German people.  We find a record in York Co., PA for the marriage of Catherine Kirschman to Adam Bumgardner on 2 Oct. 1779.  Our Catherine would have been 27 years old at the time of her first marriage to this man.  He probably died (no record) about 1787 (after eight years of marriage, which gave them sufficient time to have the four children).  

Catherine married secondly David Buck about 1788 (no record of their wedding date has been found).  From this second marriage she had at least six children between 1790-1800 with a set of twins in that last year.  Among these was our ancestor, Elizabeth Buck Garlick, born 2 May 1795.   Below is a summary of those temple ordinances performed by Elizabeth Buck for her grandparents and other family members:


Information provided by Gordon Bates after researching this film: 

“Film #0183398 VOL H 30 Oct -5 Jun 1873

In the Endowment House on July 24, 1872, the following were sealed by Joseph F. Smith:

entry #2764—David Buck, dead, and Catherine Cashman, dead—with no birth information.

Joseph Garlic, heir, born 2 May 1827, Providence, Bedford, Pa; and Elizabeth Buck Garlic, 

heiress proxy, born 2 May 1795, Providence, Bedford, Pa.

So what does this mean?   It means that Elizabeth Buck Garlic was present as a proxy, “heiress” when these sealings were done. Who would better know the names of her grandparents than Elizabeth Buck Garlic?  Too bad she didn’t give us an indication as to their places of birth and birth dates.” 

By Gordon Bates.

{The list below was also transcribed by Gordon Bates in Nov. 2007 from a micro film of the actual Endowment House baptismal records.  Here we can see that Elizabeth Buck Garlick (Garlic) actually served as proxy for several of these names.  Her relationship to each one is given below.  Then, her daughter, Hannah, took a turn and served as proxy for the remainder.  Most of these are self-explanatory.  Of note though, is the fact that no work was done for Mary Buck, a sister of our Elizabeth Buck Garlick (who was clearly identified in their father’s 1816 will as his “youngest daughter”).  Mary was still living in 1872 and therefore could not have her baptismal ordinance performed at that time.}


Endowment House FEMALE Baptismal Transcript for 25 July, 1872 (Complete)

FHL film #183384 page 368  (This list transcribed 14 Nov 2007 by Gordon Bates)

Heiress Proxy Elizabeth Buck Garlic                (listed below as EBG)

         is the daughter of Elizabeth Buck;          {should be “Granddaughter” of Elizabeth Scott Buck}

EBG is the daughter of Catherine Cashman Buck;   

EBG is the half sister of Barbara Bumgardner; 

EBG is the half sister of Elizabeth Bumgardner; 

EBG is the friend of Mary Bumgardner; 

EBG is the sister of Susannah Buck; 

EBG is the sister in law of Elizabeth Buck;           {Elizabeth Blue Buck}

EBG is the Aunt of Sarah Morris; 

EBG is the niece of Massa Ferguson; 

EBG is the cousin of another Massa Ferguson; 

EBG is the niece of Elizabeth Castway; 

EBG is the grand daughter of Agnes Cashman

{Note that in the very last entry, she stated that she was the granddaughter of Agnes Cashman (our Agnes Schwartz Kirschman/Cashman.)}

Below we will include one pedigree chart for Hans Martin Kirschenmann and one for his wife, Agnes Schwartz, as far as we have been able to trace them to date.


This concludes the presentation on the accuracy of this family.  I believe it is conclusive for the generations from Balthas Kirschenmann down to Elizabeth Buck Garlick—our progenitors. 

We are currently working to redo much of the temple work that has been incorrectly done for many years for this family.  In order to seal husbands to their proper wives, and children to their correct parents, it has become necessary to redo some of that temple work, even where such ordinances have been performed correctly in the past.  As we go about that effort, we ask, please, that no one “combine” any of these family members in “NewFamilySearch” with prior existing records as that may prohibit us from being able to then seal them to the correct parents, etc.  Be assured that the work is moving forward for each of them, including sealing them to their proper families. 

Thanks for your prayers and your interest in this great family work.

Lionel Nebeker